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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 23, 2009 22:15:31 GMT -8
Ok Gents, I've opened up this thread [which I intend to keep going for as long as possible] with the intent of educating those who have chosen the WW1 British and Commonwealth impression.. on the basic uniform standards. I also intend to highlight the basic safety standards that we should ALL be aware of when handling, using, and just being in the vacinity of weapons... mainly firearms! How do I intend to carry out the above? By using photographs lifted from various reenactor events [all WW1 British and Commonwealth impressions] from around the world, the subject will be illustrated until the correct answer has been gained. So.. without further adue, lets get cracking with the first : FAULT! 1) This is an easy one to start off with. Its a Drill Position question, so.. eyes down.. look in!  Here we are.. one regulation 'Scruffy Erbert!', on parade, the Sgt-Maj's worst nightmare.  First question.... 'Q' : In my opinion, this toe-rag should be sent straight back to Basic Training [translation = Bootcamp], so... what is he doing incorrectly? |
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Post by aefstraggler on Dec 24, 2009 4:18:28 GMT -8
Well - first - this guys a corporal?
Anyway - not sure about his hand position on the
butt of the rifle (or the rifle on the shoulder - I'll
try to double check those) - but if he is supposed
to be at attention his heels should be together,
his hand should be along the seem of his trousers,
etc. (note the person to his left - partially in view).
Sloppy P08 gear also - his left cartridge carrier looks
to be much closer to the center than the right side.
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Post by cco23i on Dec 24, 2009 6:37:38 GMT -8
As looking at this photo it seems to be a quick shot of a fellow at an event and OBVIOUSLY not at the position of attention. Watch out for looking at a photograph and "jumping to conclusions". Seems many do this and after studying many ground crew photographs seems those who don't know ground crews make assumptions of their kit and what they are doing. O.K, I am off my soapbox now.
Scott
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Dec 24, 2009 8:40:10 GMT -8
While I'm not a Commonwealth expert, I will say that no matter what side you portray, one needs to consider the posture they take because it projects an image to any observers. In short, it's what our drill sergeants used to call "military bearing" and even if you're not at attention and just standing around, you need to be sure you're properly wearing your uniform and kit- it's kind of hard to put into words but basically you should have a look that suggests that you are a soldier and ready to "fall in" at an instant.
I grant that in battle condition (i.e. "at the front"), things might look a bit more rough but that really doesn't fly if you're doing a public event. In the end, it's what separates people portraying soldiers from "dudes with guns". It's a bit easier to achieve if you have been in the military in real life but not impossible for those who haven't.
Referring to the picture above, I would say that at a minimum, the individual needs to get his kit sorted out better- it just looks BAD and it doesn't send a good message (like "I'm play-acting at this so I really don't have to make an effort").
Just my dos centavos.
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 24, 2009 11:32:12 GMT -8
Gents.. between you.. in a round-a-bout way, you've picked everything up. No matter what part of the armed forces one portrays... the basic drill positions are the same. Also, with this mans rank.... HE SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE! The position supposedly portrayed is: Slope Arms = ATTENTION! This is superbly portrayed in the pic below...  ...which leads to another easy Squad Drill - Rifle Exercises question in order to release those cobwebs. 'Q'-2... I'll give you a little clue! = 'Caps will fly!' Remember... this is a Squad Drill - Rifle Exercises question! So... what is incorrect? Seph |
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Post by rmli on Dec 24, 2009 12:45:48 GMT -8
4th man from the right, on the front row. The slope of his rifle is wrong.
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Post by aefstraggler on Dec 24, 2009 12:54:10 GMT -8
Fourth from far end - front rank - bad slant (already pointed out)
Nearest man - front rank - missing haversack.
Nearest man - back rank - why is he not wearing an SD cap? Why a GB?
(and for that matter rear rank - 2nd furthest from the far end also seems
to not be wearing an SD cap).
Just noting that there is mix of black and brown boots and the rear rank
is missing a man (or at least isn't dressed down).
Just for my own curiosity what does the 3rd closest man - front rank have
stuck to his large pack?
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Post by 1886lebel on Dec 24, 2009 12:58:08 GMT -8
If you notice a few of these guys have their weapons way to close to their necks and when the move the weapon from that position they will hit themselves in the noggin with it. CAPS WILL FLY Look at the 2nd man in the rear rank closest to the camera, that rifle is way to high up on his shoulder as the magazine is way on top of his shoulder and right up against the side of neck  Oh I am sorry if a Frenchman is not allowed to play Patrick |
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Post by goldeagle1939 on Dec 24, 2009 13:10:34 GMT -8
Yup has been pointed out before, fourth man from the left end has a bad slope to his rifle.
The GB trench cap jumped right out at me. But I think I noticed something else. The man with the missing haversack. It is not missing, it is on his back. But that would mean hisP08 web equipment is in the Battle order, and not the Marching order like everyone else is. The haversack on his back looks rather low as well. Also if you look at the rifles in the back row, you will notice there is another one that appears to be on a bad slope. That is what I noticed, but I'm a little late to the game.
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Post by cplcampisi on Dec 24, 2009 13:47:08 GMT -8
Rear rank man, third from the right, is too well camouflaged. ;-)
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 24, 2009 14:52:13 GMT -8
Well done once again... but this time, it was a little more direct in sourcing the fault. As shown below...  ... there were two incorrect slopes to the rifle. If this detail were to be given the order 'Right Turn!', the 4th man rear rank, and 5th man front rank would, apart from having their headdress focebly removed, would not be very happy hectors due to having to visit the medical department! Whilst on the subject of headress....  'Q'-3. What is incorrect about this Sgt's 'Gor-Blimey' Cap? Seph ;D |
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Post by cplcampisi on Dec 24, 2009 14:56:07 GMT -8
Just a wild stab in the dark:
Leather chin strap?
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Post by aefstraggler on Dec 24, 2009 14:56:21 GMT -8
I'd go with the chin strap being above the hat emblem.
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Post by rmli on Dec 24, 2009 15:03:43 GMT -8
NO!!! There's two HUNS in the background!!!
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 24, 2009 16:06:54 GMT -8
That was obviously tooooo easy! The Gor-Blimey Cap.. was not designed for use with a chinstrap! This Sgt has obviously not taken note of the Clothing Regulations pertaining to Headdress, and made an illegal alteration, which could bring on dire consequences. This next item I'll leave up till after everyone has had time to recover from their various helpings of Christmas Pudding, Turkey dinner.. with all the trimings, Spotted Dick-n-Custard, and whatever else one can tuck away!!! So...  'Q'-4. This group is 'Improperly Dressed?'... Why? |
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