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Post by Marcus on Dec 17, 2009 11:56:42 GMT -8
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Dec 17, 2009 12:43:08 GMT -8
I'll have to check my Jurgen Kraus when I get home today but the one thing that stands out is that there's actually an NCO version and an enlisted version for the tunic- the differences are in the collar with the NCO version being a stand-up collar and the enlisted version folding down like the picture. I'll see what I can find.
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Post by hanskc on Dec 28, 2009 9:29:25 GMT -8
The WW2 version is completely different from the WW1. The buttons, of course but also the collar is all wrong as well as the cut of the whole thing.
Schipper used to sell a correct work uniform. It would be nice if he offered them again. Maybe you can find a used one?
I have seen them a lot in the original pictures, usually dyed gray to avoid snipers.
-John in Kansas
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Post by Marcus on Dec 28, 2009 9:58:50 GMT -8
I'll send them a note and see if they need a minimum order...probably.
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Post by Hoffmann on Dec 29, 2009 9:34:00 GMT -8
I believe Schipper only carried the NCO version of the fatigue uniform.
I think the only place to get a correct WWI version is from Matt Williamson:
Timeline Clothier (Matt Williamson):
tommyatkins1902@hotmail.com
302.312.1117
I'd recommend calling rather than email, I do know wait times can be lengthy, I also do not have the prices - but I have seen his work.
Hope this helps.
Randall
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 29, 2009 9:45:24 GMT -8
Randall.... with an email address like 'tommyatkins', would I be correct in saying that the chap produces British items also?
Seph
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Post by Hoffmann on Dec 29, 2009 9:55:29 GMT -8
I believe he primarily produces French uniforms, but he has offerings from most nationalities I believe.
At one time he was doing a 1915 German mantel, and I know he was working on a 1910 Waffenrock.
I haven't spoken to him a few years though, so I would highly suggest you call him to find out his current offerings - he has never really been big on email.
Randall
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Dec 29, 2009 10:14:19 GMT -8
Thank's Randell.... much appreciated. I'll put this on my 'Need to do' list.
Do you know where the chap is based?
Seph
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Post by 1886lebel on Dec 29, 2009 10:39:10 GMT -8
Matt Williamson is out of Bear, Delaware.
He is the commander of the GWA's 151ème Régiment d'Infanterie de Ligne and primarly makes WWI French uniforms. He also does alot ACW stuff as well.
I personally know Matt and he is a nice guy but I have heard on the GWA forums that he is very, very slow in making his items and it can take months for the item to get done. I have not talked to him in years since I last did a reenactment in PA.
Patrick
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Post by Hoffmann on Dec 30, 2009 4:55:06 GMT -8
GMAX Tailoring in Canada can make these uniforms as well. They are not listed on the website, but they can make them upon request.
Randall
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Post by Marcus on Dec 30, 2009 6:57:01 GMT -8
GMAX? Nice stuff, but pricey. I'll get a quote from them. No word back from Schipper. I'll assume they don't make them. Does anyone have a good reference photo of the other ranks and NCO versions??
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Post by hanskc on Dec 30, 2009 11:32:10 GMT -8
There is a great series of books by Johan Somers, Imperial German Uniforms and Equipment 1907-1918; vol. 1 has the work uniform in both period pics and examples from a collection. In description, it was a cotton drillich uniform with wood, bone or metal buttons and a short, stand-up collar that closed by a hook. They were issued white, but would sometimes be dyed gray or field gray by units. I will look on the web for a digital pic I can send to you.
The main difference you will find between the WW2 version and the WW1 version is the type of collar and the buttons. Those are the most obvious differences, but even the cut look different. The WW1 version seemed boxier.
John
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Post by hanskc on Dec 30, 2009 11:42:57 GMT -8
Here is a picture of a relic drillich uniform on a mannequin, www.grantsmilitaria.com/gall/pix/images/125.jpgIf the link doesn't work, just go to Grant's Militaria and click on German uniforms, he has different uniforms from both wars, but it is on the first page. John |
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Post by Marcus on Dec 30, 2009 11:50:28 GMT -8
I'll eventually get all three of those books. If no other options surface, I'm pretty certain my wife could alter a set of WW2 fatigues. For me, just about everything on the market is boxy so I guess that can finally work to my advantage.
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Post by hwolf on Dec 30, 2009 19:49:11 GMT -8
It is possible to convert the WW2 model. The issue comes with making a stand instead of fall collar, eliminating the pockets and waist tie, shortening the skirt to the waist and then closing the button grommet holes and installing buttons. Unless you have a really nice wife who REALLY knows how to sew, don't do it! Oh and for our purposes (considering no one ranks a Sergt. rank) the enlisted version will work for all of us!
Dan
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