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Post by m14msgt on Jun 26, 2008 17:32:02 GMT -8
How do you install one of these? Is there supposed to be a hole in the top of the helmet which the brass grommet goes thru?
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Jun 26, 2008 19:15:23 GMT -8
Hello!
First.. drill out the old original rivet from the helmet dome.
2nd.. place the rivet through the washer supplied.
3Rd.. place the label on the rivet so that the wording faces the washer.
4th.. insert the rivet through the hole provided in the centre of the lower part of the chinstrap.
5th.. insert the rivet through the hole provided in the oval felt type pad provided.
6th.. insert the rivet through the hole in the centre of the helmet dome.. and secure.
All you need do now, is fix the helmet liner to the inner part of the chinstrap, and fix the two part of the chinstrap together.. and adjust the liner to fit ones head.
Any questions?
Good... I'll be asking questions later on!
Carry On!
Seph
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Post by Mark Thompson on Jul 15, 2008 18:52:24 GMT -8
Who makes the best repro US liners?
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Jul 15, 2008 19:21:50 GMT -8
'Shipperfabrik' in the USA, but their liner is out of stock at the moment, and has been since before Christmas. Or, the next alternative is: 'Prairie Flower Leather Co', but the leather they use is completelly the wrong colour.. a very light fawn. Their liners are also on the small side.
The best quality can be found with 'Military History Workshop' in the UK. Correct leather, individual sizes, excellent quality, but your paying twice the price of US items... plus the postage. As the saying goes.. "One pays for quality!"
Seph
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Post by m14msgt on Aug 24, 2008 15:04:34 GMT -8
The liner Military History Workshop sells is called a Brodie liner. Is this correct?
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Aug 24, 2008 16:12:08 GMT -8
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Post by rsm2ndbtnlf on Aug 24, 2008 16:30:56 GMT -8
The 'Brodie Helmet liner' sold by Military History Workshop is correct for both the US and British steel helmets of the Great War period. Also, it is of the correct shade of leather, whereas the PFlCo item is a light tan throughout... totally period incorrect. It can if wished, be stained a darker tan in order to bring it into line with the period. Also, the name 'Brodie' refers to the style of steel helmet worn by both Great Britain and the USA during The Great War.
When the USA entered WW.1, 450.000 'Brodies' were purchased from Great Britain... these helmets having the rubber 'doughnut' ring behind the felt inner pad. This ring was to facilitate the wearers comport. So, in summary, either helmet liner, with or without the inner rubber ring will be period correct for a US Doughboy impression, but only the British version is allowed for the British and Commonwealth forces of the GWHS.
If you look at my battalions site: Headdress... you'll see the distinct differences between the British and American 'Brodie'.
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Post by serenity on Mar 31, 2009 14:45:43 GMT -8
If you look at a mint original American liner (and there are still a few out there) you will find that the liner band with the rubber bumpers in it is a very light buff color. What we all seem to forget is what 90 years of age does to leather. I have a Prairie Flower liner in my helmet and after five years of wearing it the leather has turned a dark tan color. Figure it out boys, when it was new, thats what it looked like.
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Post by hawkhero on Mar 31, 2009 16:32:12 GMT -8
You are correct. I have the same issue when making M1904 McClellan Saddle replacement parts. I always get the call "But it's supposed to be BROWN!!" when they were issued as a VERY light russet. Use neatsfoot oil if it has synthetic stitching or vegtable oil if it has cotton or linen stitching and it will darken a bit. Lay it out in the sun for a day or so and it will darken even more. All light leather will get darker as you use it and it gets exposed to dirt and oils.
Cheers!
--Brian
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Post by rmli on Mar 31, 2009 16:44:12 GMT -8
All the helmet liners in the RMLI are from Prairie Flower. And they have all turned out well. Yes, leather does darken with age. Schipperfabrique has dropped the ball on producing American / British helmet liners. And the one from Schipper that I have seen, used painted canvas for the head band. The few products that I have received from Military History Workshop (hat band and PH hood) have been well made. And I have seen the helmet liner displayed on their website. Given the choice, I'll continue to use PF on the helmets for our new members. It's a decent liner for half the price of MHW, and the cost of shipping will not bankrupt you. Besides, It's American made!
One suggestion, whichever helmet liner you choose to install, be very careful with setting the rivet. Just don't go banging away with a hammer, or you will surely mess it up!
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Mar 31, 2009 17:48:25 GMT -8
That's always been my solution- fair wear and tear and a little leather treatment. :-)
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Post by hawkhero on Apr 1, 2009 10:49:37 GMT -8
"One suggestion, whichever helmet liner you choose to install, be very careful with setting the rivet. Just don't go banging away with a hammer, or you will surely mess it up! "
If you know any leather folks, they might have a setting tool. I have several sizes for doing copper/brass rivets, cost about $20 each from Weaver Leather.
Once you have the rivet in the liner, cut the stem off except for about 1/8", make sure you have something firm and hard (The heel of an anvil works well) and tap the rivet until it mushrooms and fills the hole. If you don't have a good hard surface bhind the bade of the rivet, it will NEVER set right and your liner will always be loose. IF you know anyone who works with steel, you can also buy a 6-7" long piece of solid 2" round stock. Just make sure you use a file to smooth the edges so that they don't cut your new liner.
Hope my ramblings help.
Cheers!
--Brian
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Post by Chauchat Gunner on Jan 9, 2010 13:47:56 GMT -8
Does anyone have a pic to share on the 1917 helmet liners from Military History Workshop? I'm debating getting one and want to be sure its worth the price they are asking (as compared to an original, construction, quality, ect) Thanks!
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Post by Chauchat Gunner on Apr 19, 2010 19:10:09 GMT -8
I got my liner from MHW and its a good copy...just not right in the following areas.
Cons: The "oilcloth" is still not correct. Its just painted canvas and does not have the feeling and texture of the original liners. Secondly. The rivet and washer provided was not correct, it should be copper and not white metal. The washer was cut from a piece of sheet metal and not stamped. The "instruction" tag for the top of the helmet was photocopied poorly and not backed on gauze as was the originals.
Pros: The chinstrap leather (the one I got is pigskin) is spot on, including the hardware. The cotton netting material is also spot on to the original. I wish PFL could find the same netting material. The color of the leather in the helmet sweatband is a match for my original as are the stamped markings on the top strap. The rubber bumpers are also as good as PFL's.
I'd give this helmet liner a 75% for authenticity with room for improvement.
I am going to have a yard of painted oilcloth made using a period method and have a liner made from PFL. As this project develops I will post photos..
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Post by mudmarine on Jun 13, 2012 22:05:44 GMT -8
Check out CriticalPast.com,web site has old film footage.Find year 1918,type in helmet factory,you should see ordanance factory people putting m17 helmets together.
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