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Post by fischer on Sept 11, 2011 10:40:23 GMT -8
Hi Guys
Does anyone know who sells the little enameled cups that are referred to as the Model 1916?
These are the green, blue or grey colored ones with the single handle.
Best Regards, fischer
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Post by kingkaiser on Sept 11, 2011 11:35:58 GMT -8
Schipperfabrik used to sell reproductions of the enameled steel cup. Right now, they only have reproductions of the earlier style aluminum cup with the folding wire handles.
From time to time, I have seen a few reproduction enameled cups on E-Bay. I don't know if these are Schipperfabrik's reproductions, or ones made by another vendor.
Originals are out there, and the cost can vary greatly (depending on who is doing the selling!). Finding a usable original may be difficult, because the enamel tended to chip off, leaving the steel exposed and vulnerable to rust. Most of the originals I've seen have had a fair amount of rust.
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Post by Hoffmann on Sept 11, 2011 15:03:40 GMT -8
I have one of the Schipper cups, and it wasn't enameled, but painted - and the paint wears off each time i washed it. The construction was also pretty bad. the originals were stamped out of a single piece of metal, but Schippers was essentially a sheet metal strip rolled and welded with a vertical seam and a separate oval piece was welded over one end.
I often wondered if an original could be stripped and re-enameled or powder coated?
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Post by kingkaiser on Sept 11, 2011 19:47:45 GMT -8
Jacob Caputo (Alexander and Sons) has restored a few steel enameled cups and a steel enameled mess tin for me. At that time, he wasn't able to enamel them, but the paint jobs are outstanding and will hold up extremely well. I recently sent him another steel enameled mess tin for restoration, and he mentioned that he might have a source for enameling. So, re-enameling, like the originals, may be available. Otherwise, stripping and repainting is the only way to go.
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Post by fischer on Sept 12, 2011 8:08:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the replies and the information...Looks like I need an original to restore.
Best Regards, fischer
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Post by Larry Dunn on Sept 12, 2011 8:37:26 GMT -8
I looked into powder coating--apparently it's a no-go for items intended for use with food or potables.
-Larry
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Post by hwolf on Sept 12, 2011 14:41:28 GMT -8
Speaking of that...
Ever wonder what is in that paint used on Schipper's metal cups? Can you say Chinese Lead? Its just a guess, but I wouldn't take my chances! maybe thats why he stopped carrying them and went to all aluminum. Its odd how it changed color when hot.
Dan
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Post by kingkaiser on Sept 12, 2011 15:16:17 GMT -8
Speaking of that... Ever wonder what is in that paint used on Schipper's metal cups? Can you say Chinese Lead? Its just a guess, but I wouldn't take my chances! maybe thats why he stopped carrying them and went to all aluminum. Its odd how it changed color when hot. Dan Extremely valid, and important, point! For actual use, I would go with an unpainted aluminum cup, as well as an aluminum mess tin (since the inside isn't painted). I'm not sure what is in enamel, especially 100 year old enamel. Original enameled items might have some lead (or other undesirable elements!). Remember, back then, there were no "health conscious" environmental agencies and regulatory commissions! |
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Post by kingkaiser on Sept 12, 2011 15:45:25 GMT -8
Speaking of that... Ever wonder what is in that paint used on Schipper's metal cups? Can you say Chinese Lead? Its just a guess, but I wouldn't take my chances! maybe thats why he stopped carrying them and went to all aluminum. Its odd how it changed color when hot. Dan Extremely valid, and important, point! For actual use, I would go with an unpainted aluminum cup, as well as an aluminum mess tin (since the inside isn't painted). I'm not sure what is in enamel, especially 100 year old enamel. Original enameled items might have some lead (or other undesirable elements!). Remember, back then, there were no "health conscious" environmental agencies and regulatory commissions! I did some research on-line. Apparently, some enamel paints do contain lead (although their use is currently limited). I think it's a safe bet that the enamel paint that was used on cups and mess tins 100 years ago contains lead. |
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Sept 12, 2011 15:57:40 GMT -8
I always used the aluminum cup- the enameled ones I've come accross were pretty nasty looking. I would think it was be easier to reproduce the earlier aluminum version (well, relatively easier anyway).
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Post by Hoffmann on Sept 12, 2011 16:45:36 GMT -8
I have done a little research, and there are epoxy paints intended for use in potable water tanks and food-contact items - I am sure this stuff would be excellent for this use as "enamel" - I just need to locate a source where I can get that paint in the colors we would need - just too many projects and not enough me....
I do have the aluminum cup and messkits, but it would be more accurate to have the enameled steel versions, plus it would make it easier to equip recruits if we could make use of beat-up enameled cups and kits.
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