1886lebel
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151?me R?giment d'Infanterie de Ligne
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Post by 1886lebel on Jul 5, 2011 6:46:29 GMT -8
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Post by aefstraggler on Jul 5, 2011 9:39:11 GMT -8
As far as the LF goes - ditto for the British uniform items being sold.
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Jul 5, 2011 10:57:43 GMT -8
Typical...
And it's not going to get any better as we get closer to the centennial, unfortunately.
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Post by marcus on Jul 7, 2011 10:48:11 GMT -8
I could spend all day about crap uniform vendors. Desperate for an ok french one at present.
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1886lebel
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151?me R?giment d'Infanterie de Ligne
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Post by 1886lebel on Jul 7, 2011 11:58:28 GMT -8
At this time there is no decent supplier of French uniforms
Patrick
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Post by oskar2ndchev on Jul 7, 2011 12:35:34 GMT -8
I know the stuff may not be the best but compare to some of the garbage being peddled out there... I get this with the US stuff. About every three months, someone finds Replicators and wants to get everything from them and then I have to pretty much say scream NO! Unfortunately, you get what you pay for...
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Post by robhargis on Aug 19, 2012 18:28:00 GMT -8
What do you dislike specifically? I have looked at the tunic and breeches and I feel that the color is within the standards of the era as well as the cut of the pattern. Certainly, the buttons are awful and there is a question about the weight of the material in the tunics and breeches, but living in California I would hazzard a guess, that the material weight would be a plus.
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1886lebel
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151?me R?giment d'Infanterie de Ligne
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Post by 1886lebel on Aug 19, 2012 19:54:02 GMT -8
The weave of the wool is not heather blended as per the originals, he is using a woollen serge which was around but used to tailor Officers private purchased uniforms not enlisted mens. I will ask our resident seamster to better explain the wool of the period as he knows this stuff much better than I do as he does this for a living  We strive to do things as correctly as possible in all our impressions, yes this would be nice wool for the heat in the SW but when we do our events it is usually pretty cold anyways especially when the sun goes down, CA is the only place I have had to actually wear my tunic underneath my overcoat to keep warm. I remember the first year Tony C and I were at Ozena and the temperature dropped to below 30 degrees at night, it was COLD. Patrick |
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1886lebel
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151?me R?giment d'Infanterie de Ligne
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Post by 1886lebel on Aug 20, 2012 6:29:23 GMT -8
Overcoat:
*Material is dead wrong. It's a solid solid sky blue wool Serge, it should be a 2/2 twill woven or 1/1 plain woven Melton with a heavy napped surface concealing the weave. The wool should be a blend of white, sky blue, and dark blue wool fibers. These different wool colors are blended to a specific ratio when the wool is twisted into yarns before being woven into cloth. Having such cloth reproduced accurately today is time consuming and costly.
*The cut of the overcoat is dead wrong. Deep modern armholes and square cut modern shoulders are plainly apparent. Even though they're meant to be worn over another coat, overcoats of this era the have fitted armholes that fit up under the armpit much tighter than modern men's coats, this is true even with WWII era overcoats. The shoulder's of men's coats of this era follow the natural slope of the shoulder rather than having the boxy square cut of a modern man's suit. There should be slightly more taper from the chest to the waist, this one hangs pretty straight all the way down to the hem.
*Pocket flaps are too slanted, much more like a German overcoat than a French one. Pocket flaps of French WWI overcoats have only a slight angle. The pocket flaps also lack the welted buttonholes located on each side of flap.
*This repro overcoat features fly-bar sewn buttonholes rather than the cloth double welted buttonholes of the originals.
*Lining material is wrong. The body lining of originals are plain woven lightweight cotton canvas in a natural or "ecru" color. Pocket linings in originals are made from natural cotton drill. The body lining in this repro for some strange reason isn't attached to the body and hangs loose. The body linings of originals are hand sewn into the coat. The repro lacks the internal web suspension which runs from one side of the pocket bag, over the shoulder, and down the other side of the pocket bag. Original's have this internal suspension because extra ammunition was meant to be carried in the pockets and the suspension helps support the weight of the ammo and distributes that weight evenly across the body.
*Belt loop is not hand attached and lacks the hand applied leather reinforcement on the inside.
*Front wool skirt facing is too large, it should only be 3/4" to 7/8".
*Front edge of overcoat lacks the welt sewn into the front edge.
Those are just the some of the major problems with the overcoat, there are many more things I could pick out, but I think this get's the message across.
Tunic:
*Again, same as above, material dead wrong.
*Neck darts. Most of the original issue enlisted men's tunics I've seen don't have these. Usually neck darts are found on private purchase originals.
*Cut. Again, modern square cut shoulders and deep modern armholes. Originals have tighter fitting armholes and the shoulders of the coat follow the natural shoulder of the wearer. Back piece isn't tapered enough. When you look at the back seams, those two curved seams should have much more of an hour glass taper to them.
*Lining color and material wrong. Originals are lined in a natural or "ecru" colored plain woven lightweight cotton canvas.
*Pocket flaps are constructed wrong, it would be tricky to explain exactly how they're wrong and exactly how originals are constructed, so I'm going to save myself some time and just say they're wrong.
*Belt loop should be hand attached and have a hand attached leather reinforcement on the inside.
Trousers:
I'm pretty certain they used a private purchase pair to copy these rather than an original issue enlisted men's pair. The photos of these also don't show much detail, so there's parts of the construction I can't comment on:
*Same as with the overcoat and tunic above the material is dead wrong.
*Lacks the machine topstitching through the center of waistband.
*Buttons running up the cuff vent. Original issue ones don't usually have these buttons and instead have ties to tie the cuff closed.
*Buttons are wrong, they should be the "equipements militaires" ones.
*Something funny about the right button fly.
*Fly is too wide, should be narrower.
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Post by muddhen on Aug 21, 2012 4:32:11 GMT -8
Off the french subject just a moment, i've been asked a couple times about the brit tunic, i told the people no but never having actually seen one i couldn't give a good reason. Has anyone actually seen one?
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Post by cco23i on Aug 21, 2012 9:01:47 GMT -8
I know his WW2 US M 38 coveralls are good actually better than WW2 impressions in my opinion.
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Post by aefstraggler on Aug 22, 2012 2:47:21 GMT -8
If you're talking about his British WW1 uniform then yes - I bought one - to review it.
Doubt I'll ever use it - even for loaner gear.
1) It doesn't match the picture. One way - the picture shows the belt supports -- the
delivered product had not belt supports.
2) He goes out of his way (in his e-bay description) to talk about the fabric, the brass
buttons, etc. -- the delivered product had plastic buttons.
So - at least for the LF - his tunic (and by association - his other WW1 British gear) is
not acceptable.
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Post by muddhen on Aug 22, 2012 5:52:37 GMT -8
That was the answer i needed
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Post by Marcus on Aug 27, 2012 10:03:34 GMT -8
Doubt I'll ever use it - even for loaner gear. If you ever do any TV/movie work, maybe you can use it for squibs or other damage. ôAlways look on the bright side of life....ô |
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Post by aefstraggler on Aug 27, 2012 19:31:09 GMT -8
If you ever do any TV/movie work, maybe you can use it for squibs or other damage.
That's about all its good for.
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